2) Do “nice” guys always finish last? What about “nice” girls?
Man#1
1). The 10 point scale is great. It's the result of an in depth and complex evaluation process. There are many contributing factors which make up a "beauty". Such complex factors include tits and ass; sometimes a woman's face is a factor.....but only sometimes.
Such as education, in which the 10 point grade scale is a way of allocating a single value to an overwhelming series of contributing factors. Such factors make up a student's ability to meet criteria for participation, homework, exams etc. And such factors can be batched into categories like satisfactory, un-satisfactory etc. This system could be adopted by men in their evaluation of women, but that would yet again be overwhelming for a male. For men, the best system is the pass / no-pass or a numerical value.
Without the numerical value, or the pass / no-pass grading scale, the contributing factors are overwhelming in number. For most its face, tits and ass. For others its hair, tits and ass....and others legs, tits and ass....and if the guy is particularly sophisticated, there are other more complex factors like a female's eyes, lips, smile, skin, tits and ass. So again, its very complicated.
2.) nice guys don't always finish last anymore. Because some nice guys have money....nuff said
Man#2
What is the 10 point scale? How does this system work? Do you think about it with every woman?
The ten point scale is a system anyone can use to judge another person. It is often claimed to be a rather shallow method. For myself (and for a lot of other people I know) this system works by adding up various factors about an individual including looks, and personality. I don’t think about it for every woman I run into on the street, I use it mostly to compare my judgments with my guy friends. I see the reasons they gave a girl a certain number and often times our reasoning will differ but the numbers stay relatively the same. I really don’t think it works as an accurate way to assess someone, it’s just a fun way to judge people. I can’t even begin to imagine what number people would give me, I think it would be subjective and I would have quite the range.
2) Do “nice” guys always finish last? What about “nice” girls?
When you say, “nice guy” you make me picture someone who gets walked all over and lets it happen. Those kinds of people do finish last. Someone unable to assert themselves will never be able to get what they want unless someone takes the first steps for them. There are plenty of “nice guys” out there, but is that what a girl is really looking for? I just read an article that said for most women a “happy guy” ranks low on sexual attractiveness.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29
This implies that “niceness” is not necessarily what a girl is looking for. As for “nice girls” they don’t have to finish last. I think an assertive girl could be nice at the same time and be able to make the most out of life.
Man#3
1) What is the 10 point scale? How does this system work? Do you think about it with every woman?
I was never a big fan of the “10 point scale” or the whole “out of your league” genre to begin with. For one, the 10 point scale is solely based on looks and omits other crucial factors that make a woman desirable, factors like say... SANITY? Secondly, the 10 point scale has major reliability and validity flaws because we (guys) assume an average of 7 and not 5. This is because it takes a real heartless fella to give someone a score below 5. If I were to use this scale I would say use a 5-10 scale, that way 7 is the real “average” and you don't seem like a terrible guy giving someone a 6, when in actuality it is a 2/3.
But I put this list aside because it labels things in concrete terms, which is where you get the “out of league” fallacy. Sticking to this belief limits not only your available “birds in the nest,” but it also puts a negative judgment on yourself if you tell yourself that someone is “out of your league...” If a guy that is say a “6” sees a girl who is a “9”, and immediately assumes that he “has no chance” then he has effectively eliminated that chance himself by skipping on the opportunity. If he can't man up to factor in his other positive qualities and realize that no one is “out of his league”, that it's all in fact just perception, then it's his own fault, and he shouldn't cop out with the “out of league” excuse. If he did approach her and she outwardly rejected him, that’s a direct reflection on her character. No one wants to be with a bitch, despite what all the pop psychology books say...Regression to the mean.
2) Do “nice” guys always finish last? What about “nice” girls?
This one is a little more tricky. You have to really define what a “nice” guy is. It's a common misconception that “nice guy” is analogous to “insecure shy guy”. This may be true in many aspects, but it is not a two way street. You can tattoo yourself up, get some piercings and think you are a tough guy. You can even talk smack to others, and truth is that most probably wont do anything major about it.. which will only validate 'your' perception of yourself as a “bad ass”. You may even attract a certain genre of women who like your image, but at the end of the day that’s all it is.. an image. If you want to be the guy who finishes first, you don’t need any fancy gimmicks or hat tricks, you just have to be the guy that can let things go. If you have a level of security in yourself to the point where you know what you want and you are just as easily willing to walk away from it, some magical, evolutionary, psychological rubiks cube gets solved. Then the game isn't about finishing first or last, in fact, there is no game. Your girlfriend leaves you: smile.. “good luck finding someone like me”. Catch your wife in the room with another man? Laugh.. “don't stop on my watch”. Maybe those are extreme, but chances are they wont even happen if you've adopted this mind set from the beginning, because then they would really feel like they are risking something big. I like to compare it to playing the video game “Grand Theft Auto”; you can attempt do all the tedious missions, complete the timed races and frustrate yourself over and over..or you can just say “screw it” and start shooting cops and flying helicopters. It's a lot more fun when you play by your own rules.
What is the 10 point scale? How does this system work? Do you think about it with every woman?
The ten point scale is a system anyone can use to judge another person. It is often claimed to be a rather shallow method. For myself (and for a lot of other people I know) this system works by adding up various factors about an individual including looks, and personality. I don’t think about it for every woman I run into on the street, I use it mostly to compare my judgments with my guy friends. I see the reasons they gave a girl a certain number and often times our reasoning will differ but the numbers stay relatively the same. I really don’t think it works as an accurate way to assess someone, it’s just a fun way to judge people. I can’t even begin to imagine what number people would give me, I think it would be subjective and I would have quite the range.
2) Do “nice” guys always finish last? What about “nice” girls?
When you say, “nice guy” you make me picture someone who gets walked all over and lets it happen. Those kinds of people do finish last. Someone unable to assert themselves will never be able to get what they want unless someone takes the first steps for them. There are plenty of “nice guys” out there, but is that what a girl is really looking for? I just read an article that said for most women a “happy guy” ranks low on sexual attractiveness.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29
This implies that “niceness” is not necessarily what a girl is looking for. As for “nice girls” they don’t have to finish last. I think an assertive girl could be nice at the same time and be able to make the most out of life.
Man#3
1) What is the 10 point scale? How does this system work? Do you think about it with every woman?
I was never a big fan of the “10 point scale” or the whole “out of your league” genre to begin with. For one, the 10 point scale is solely based on looks and omits other crucial factors that make a woman desirable, factors like say... SANITY? Secondly, the 10 point scale has major reliability and validity flaws because we (guys) assume an average of 7 and not 5. This is because it takes a real heartless fella to give someone a score below 5. If I were to use this scale I would say use a 5-10 scale, that way 7 is the real “average” and you don't seem like a terrible guy giving someone a 6, when in actuality it is a 2/3.
But I put this list aside because it labels things in concrete terms, which is where you get the “out of league” fallacy. Sticking to this belief limits not only your available “birds in the nest,” but it also puts a negative judgment on yourself if you tell yourself that someone is “out of your league...” If a guy that is say a “6” sees a girl who is a “9”, and immediately assumes that he “has no chance” then he has effectively eliminated that chance himself by skipping on the opportunity. If he can't man up to factor in his other positive qualities and realize that no one is “out of his league”, that it's all in fact just perception, then it's his own fault, and he shouldn't cop out with the “out of league” excuse. If he did approach her and she outwardly rejected him, that’s a direct reflection on her character. No one wants to be with a bitch, despite what all the pop psychology books say...Regression to the mean.
2) Do “nice” guys always finish last? What about “nice” girls?
This one is a little more tricky. You have to really define what a “nice” guy is. It's a common misconception that “nice guy” is analogous to “insecure shy guy”. This may be true in many aspects, but it is not a two way street. You can tattoo yourself up, get some piercings and think you are a tough guy. You can even talk smack to others, and truth is that most probably wont do anything major about it.. which will only validate 'your' perception of yourself as a “bad ass”. You may even attract a certain genre of women who like your image, but at the end of the day that’s all it is.. an image. If you want to be the guy who finishes first, you don’t need any fancy gimmicks or hat tricks, you just have to be the guy that can let things go. If you have a level of security in yourself to the point where you know what you want and you are just as easily willing to walk away from it, some magical, evolutionary, psychological rubiks cube gets solved. Then the game isn't about finishing first or last, in fact, there is no game. Your girlfriend leaves you: smile.. “good luck finding someone like me”. Catch your wife in the room with another man? Laugh.. “don't stop on my watch”. Maybe those are extreme, but chances are they wont even happen if you've adopted this mind set from the beginning, because then they would really feel like they are risking something big. I like to compare it to playing the video game “Grand Theft Auto”; you can attempt do all the tedious missions, complete the timed races and frustrate yourself over and over..or you can just say “screw it” and start shooting cops and flying helicopters. It's a lot more fun when you play by your own rules.
Girl:
What is the 10 point scale? How does this system work? Do you think about it with every woman or man?
“That girl is a dime!” I remember hearing this when I had my first celebrity crush and his fan club was, “Team Dime.” I remember wanting to be a “perfect 10,” but I just thought that meant pants size.
The 10 point scale is horrible. I hate it, yet shallowly embrace it as “fact” of the male and female psyche. For women I think the 10 point scale is different when we apply it to men. As a woman, I give most guys a 8,9, 10 in my book initially. Then once I get to know them, the scale becomes extremely "fluid" depending on the conversation/actions. You can be a 10 "looks," however, women take more than that into consideration (if they are not desperate). Women will think about a man's "looks," because if she accidentally gets pregnant? Think about the child! Women will think about transportation (depending on the city), because how are you supposed to make it to the hospital if you are pregnant? Women will think about education/“job,” because if she is pregnant how is he gonna step up? No, I am kidding none of my accidental pregnant comments matter, because once pregnant you are no longer a 10...with the above aside most women are just like men. Until men and women have experienced enough of the “good lookers” and are ready for something “of substance” like a conversation, decent looks and good food...we will all be bound by the “10 point scale”. Freedom from the 10 point scale doesn’t usually occur until 30-35 for men and 28-32 for women....
Do “nice” guys always finish last? What about “nice” girls?
“Nice” is a relative term. People say I am "nice," but then I speak my mind...and I’m still single but I don’t exactly call that finishing “last.” I just call myself “lucky”
I’ve had guys claim they are "nice," but their actions say otherwise....but like I always say, “Does a racist ever say ‘Hi, my name is Billy and I am a self proclaimed racist'”? No, they usually just act like a racist and think everything is fine. In my book nice guys will finish last, either by getting trapped in bad situations or by standing aside while their sexy friend picks up a chick at the bar...
If guys play the “bad boy,” they will attract “bad girls” and maybe even a bad STD...so buyers beware.
So do nice people finish last? And are you a perfect 10?
So do nice people finish last? And are you a perfect 10?
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